tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post7285728252114352550..comments2023-05-16T18:25:44.326+09:00Comments on man in japan: ReligiosityMarkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-36649546440862425682009-02-11T05:59:00.000+09:002009-02-11T05:59:00.000+09:00Mark, I guess the religious terminology is often m...Mark, I guess the religious terminology is often misleading. I just try and avoid it because some people would call me a fundy, others would say I am liberal. It is not so much over whether or not I believe everything the Bible says as much as whether or not they agree with what I say the Bible says.<BR/><BR/>I do not really want to go down the creation/evolution debate path, but I just wanted toDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-85521929473722098462009-02-11T05:39:00.000+09:002009-02-11T05:39:00.000+09:00Larry, thanks for rising to the challenge, but is ...Larry, thanks for rising to the challenge, but is that all you have? Is that the best? I asked for a verse that asks a Christian to kill. You have failed again. I fully understand every part of <I> "must be burned to death"</I>, but I also understand <I>” "If a priest’s daughter defiles herself”</I>. There are no Priests (and therefore priests daughters) today. Jesus came to act as the great highDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-57954291937152648072009-02-10T19:42:00.000+09:002009-02-10T19:42:00.000+09:00PS:And seeing the world in disarry, god sent his o...PS:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1425" REL="nofollow"><BR/>And seeing the world in disarry, god sent his only son to build a bridge between this universe and heaven...</A>Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-34251118838608663482009-02-10T19:29:00.000+09:002009-02-10T19:29:00.000+09:00Are you guys going to be OK? I mean for two religi...Are you guys going to be OK? I mean for two religious men of faith this is getting a bit disturbing...<BR/><BR/>@larry:<BR/><BR/><I>"If by "apocalyptic extremist" you mean believer in the WHOLE bible, then fine -- guilty as charged."</I><BR/><BR/>Glad we're in agreement. Please don't stone me to death or set my children on fire...<BR/><BR/><I>"Why do you call ME the extremist when I'm the one Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-66794660701739703442009-02-10T18:02:00.000+09:002009-02-10T18:02:00.000+09:00As you wish, Pastor Dave. One example that comes t...As you wish, Pastor Dave. One example that comes to mind:<BR/><BR/>"If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she also defiles her father’s holiness, and she must be burned to death." Leviticus 21:9 (NLT)<BR/><BR/>Is there any part of "must be burned to death" that seems ambiguous to you?<BR/><BR/>As you know, Deuteronomy is mostly a re-telling of the original laws which Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-88416220473173300842009-02-10T17:19:00.000+09:002009-02-10T17:19:00.000+09:00"We can debate whether God's commands to Moses are...<I>"We can debate whether God's commands to Moses are applicable to all people or not. But there are many verses in the Scripture which are not so debatable."</I><BR/><BR/>Well? Hit me with some verses. Give me non debatable Scripture verses (you say there are many) telling me to kill someone!Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-82883654287084230212009-02-10T17:14:00.000+09:002009-02-10T17:14:00.000+09:00Now I am offended! How can you call me a moderate?...Now I am offended! How can you call me a moderate? I would prefer it if you had called me a nutter. I don’t even believe in evolution, but rather a six day creation.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that the burden of proof is on those saying the Bible is telling Christians to kill people to prove it. You have made the claim, but have failed to prove it. I have provided several examples of your false Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-26263019243607937642009-02-10T16:58:00.000+09:002009-02-10T16:58:00.000+09:00@mark:"The Rev Larry has become more apparently so...@mark:<BR/><BR/>"The Rev Larry has become more apparently some kind of apocalyptic extremist, while Pastor Dave has a more moderate "interpretation""<BR/><BR/>If by "apocalyptic extremist" you mean believer in the WHOLE bible, then fine -- guilty as charged.<BR/><BR/>What in the world is a "moderate interpretation"? Sounds like watered-down pseudo-Christianity to me. Christianity only when it's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-13169519684769475292009-02-10T16:51:00.000+09:002009-02-10T16:51:00.000+09:00"this is the most fascinating discussion I have ha..."this is the most fascinating discussion I have had"<BR/><BR/>Thank you Pastor Dave. That's nice of you to say. With all sincerety, I *truly* wish I could say the same. But unfortunately, there are so many part-time Christians out there, that for me, this is pretty standard fare. You claim to be a Christian and then provide a laundry list of God's laws you've decided not to follow because it's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-49664273719320089682009-02-10T16:30:00.000+09:002009-02-10T16:30:00.000+09:00Wow, talk about being caught between a rock and a ...Wow, talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place!<BR/><BR/>The Rev Larry has become more apparently some kind of apocalyptic extremist, while Pastor Dave has a more moderate "interpretation" (or context or whatever) of the same bible. What am I supposed to make of all this as an outside observer?<BR/><BR/>It's beginning to sound like the pot calling the kettle black to Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-57325720081055841422009-02-10T15:54:00.000+09:002009-02-10T15:54:00.000+09:00Now, Father Larry, I was told that the Bible tells...Now, Father Larry, I was told that the Bible tells me to kill babies. I asked for an example and you gave me Deut 13. I said that this does not tell me to kill babies. You stated it tells me to kill men. No it does not. Deuteronomy is a written record of what Moses told the Israelites to do so they would not mess things up again when they finally got to the promised land. It is not God telling meDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-16317817725582910872009-02-10T15:36:00.000+09:002009-02-10T15:36:00.000+09:00Rev Laz...I must confess this is the most fascinat...Rev Laz...I must confess this is the most fascinating discussion I have had on one of these blogs.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for putting Matthew 7:1 into context for me. You are correct (I fail), if you are happy to be judged, then judge away. In light of the fact that you have not kept all the commands (God’s Word says that, so please do not deny it, God does not like that), then you can join Mark and I Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-58621784949488310022009-02-10T15:03:00.000+09:002009-02-10T15:03:00.000+09:00"C’mon Rev Larry, I asked for a command that I kil..."C’mon Rev Larry, I asked for a command that I kill babies. "<BR/><BR/>What, you want me to find a passage that addresses you personally by name? Are you insane? Hey, If you aren't willing to follow His laws, then don't pretend to be one of his followers. (He hates that).<BR/><BR/><BR/>"the Bible makes it clear that no one keeps all the commands (Romans 1-3)"<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah okay then. So we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-12701905851808304362009-02-10T13:39:00.000+09:002009-02-10T13:39:00.000+09:00C’mon Rev Larry, I asked for a command that I kill...C’mon Rev Larry, I asked for a command that I kill babies. Now, babies cannot entice me away to worship other gods...so what was the point of the Deut passage? Fail. (I learnt that from an Atheist while blogging. You just say fail at the others arguments...I like it!).<BR/><BR/>Rev Larry, I am assuming that you are not going to be partaking in the weenie roast because you keep all of the commandsDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-1741231012277578382009-02-10T13:16:00.000+09:002009-02-10T13:16:00.000+09:00@Pastor Dave:Your response is the kind of wishy-wa...@Pastor Dave:<BR/><BR/>Your response is the kind of wishy-washy back-peddling that makes mine and God's blood boil. All this nonsense about taking scripture out of context and trying to decide for yourself what God *really* means. If you aren't careful, then before you know it, you've created your own religion. And if you do that, God's gonna have an eternal weenie roast featuring YOU as the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-26041505277341635152009-02-10T11:43:00.000+09:002009-02-10T11:43:00.000+09:00Holy shit Reverend Larry! WTF?"I'm sorry but I rea...Holy shit Reverend Larry! WTF?<BR/><BR/><I>"I'm sorry but I really take offense to your characterization of me (an ordained reverend) as a "nutter". Why am I a "nutter"?"</I><BR/><BR/>I think it was mainly the bit about Jesus buying automatic weapons. The worst he ever did was smash up a flea market set up in a temple or something.<BR/><BR/><I>"...If God tells me to kill my own children, I'll do Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-18973896542601588412009-02-10T11:38:00.000+09:002009-02-10T11:38:00.000+09:00Rev Larry, I am now certain I do not agree with yo...Rev Larry, I am now certain I do not agree with you!<BR/><BR/>I believe all the Bible is God's written word. It is just that I seek to understand all of it in it's context. I am not denying there are difficult passages, but I do not believe in ignoring any of them. At the same time, I do not blindly take a passage out of it's context and run off and 'do it'. Rather, I first try and determine Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-52742758564575092982009-02-10T11:31:00.000+09:002009-02-10T11:31:00.000+09:00Hey Mark,I'm sorry but I really take offense to yo...Hey Mark,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry but I really take offense to your characterization of me (an ordained reverend) as a "nutter". Why am I a "nutter"? Just because I don't see things the way you do? Through your narrow sinner eyes? Just because I actually believe that God *means* what He says in the Holy Bible? (including the Old Testament).<BR/><BR/>I pretty sure God didn't write the Bible so that we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-48658439904787150212009-02-10T11:07:00.000+09:002009-02-10T11:07:00.000+09:00I am not trying to rationalise the Bible...just ex...I am not trying to rationalise the Bible...just explain, because you do not seem to understand it.<BR/><BR/>I like the tag cloud thing. Are you able to do one for the whole OT, or the whole Bible? I assume if you go to a Bible on line and just do one for John's Epistles that would be really interesting! Once again, (sorry to go on about context), but what is the point of picking out certain Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-25453566830159870182009-02-10T10:50:00.000+09:002009-02-10T10:50:00.000+09:00"Thanks Mark, leaving out the headings (and other ...<I>"Thanks Mark, leaving out the headings (and other false bits in brackets) would be a great start! I look forward to reading the updated version. Thanks!"</I><BR/><BR/>Done! Actually I like it better this way, seems to have a stronger impact leaving it to the reader to arrive at their own conclusions.<BR/><BR/>One thing I've added is a tag cloud of the quoted text that shows the top 50 most Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-48802272816655980272009-02-10T09:59:00.000+09:002009-02-10T09:59:00.000+09:00Thanks Mark, leaving out the headings (and other f...Thanks Mark, leaving out the headings (and other false bits in brackets) would be a great start! I look forward to reading the updated version. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>By the way, I am not trying to rationalise the OT.<BR/><BR/><I>”What I don't like is people failing to recognise that humans have followed thousands of gods for thousands of years, and many different mutually exclusive religious beliefs Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-81743243314639636132009-02-10T09:26:00.000+09:002009-02-10T09:26:00.000+09:00"Thanks Rev Larry. Not sure if I fully agree with ...<I>"Thanks Rev Larry. Not sure if I fully agree with you..."</I><BR/><BR/>Not fully? The guy's obvious a nutter (no offense "Reverend", but seriously though)<BR/><BR/><I>"1 – My original reason for commenting was the misrepresentation of God from the OT. Specific examples are:..."</I><BR/><BR/>Would you still consider it to be a misrepresentation if the titles were removed, leaving nothing other Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-37887836023762966752009-02-10T08:56:00.000+09:002009-02-10T08:56:00.000+09:00Thanks Rev Larry. Not sure if I fully agree with y...Thanks Rev Larry. Not sure if I fully agree with you...but Mark, just wondering if I could focus on two things...as the conversation has been on a number of fronts now.<BR/><BR/>1 – My original reason for commenting was the misrepresentation of God from the OT. Specific examples are:<BR/><BR/><I>” Peter Kills Two People”</I><BR/>Not true...the passage does not even state Peter killed anyone.<BR/>Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03739784110428028221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-26234753570291224202009-02-09T21:14:00.000+09:002009-02-09T21:14:00.000+09:00Dave,I TOTALLY agree with you. Praise Jesus! Some ...Dave,<BR/><BR/>I TOTALLY agree with you. Praise Jesus! Some sinners will just never get it huh?<BR/><BR/>I mean what does Jesus have to DO to prove that he's real? Answer prayers? Perform miracles? Heal the sick? Give site to the blind?<BR/><BR/>He has already done all this and more!!!<BR/><BR/>And I absolutely KNOW this to be true because my FAITH tells me so! Hallelujah!<BR/><BR/>What is WRONG Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5609208.post-25980068938063330812009-02-09T19:31:00.000+09:002009-02-09T19:31:00.000+09:00...As a Christian, the commands in the OT (not tha...<I>...As a Christian, the commands in the OT (not that everything in your list was a command) have been superceded in what Christ has done. So I do not believe any of them are commanding me to do anything now..."</I><BR/><BR/>Wow, Christ just kinda wiped the slate clean hey? Awesome, he did well to convince god the father to change his mind about all that old testament stuff, modernise his image Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18266852639379923008noreply@blogger.com